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	<title>Comments on: More About ResearchSaves.org</title>
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		<title>By: AxenSTH</title>
		<link>http://blog.xzion.net/2010/02/01/more-about-researchsaves-org/comment-page-1/#comment-1263</link>
		<dc:creator>AxenSTH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sycobuny,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I googled researchsaves.org after seeing an ad on TV, and came across your blog. I appreciate the eloquence in your responses, and I couldn&#039;t agree with you more.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;-Axen&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sycobuny,</p>

<p>I googled researchsaves.org after seeing an ad on TV, and came across your blog. I appreciate the eloquence in your responses, and I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more.</p>

<p>-Axen</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sycobuny</title>
		<link>http://blog.xzion.net/2010/02/01/more-about-researchsaves-org/comment-page-1/#comment-1084</link>
		<dc:creator>sycobuny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t think the way humans treat animals in almost any given situation is particularly great, and I don&#039;t set policy for the city any more than I do for the scientific community doing the testing. Also, there is hardly parity in killing an animal that potentially has a disease because it might transmit it to you, and &lt;b&gt;giving&lt;/b&gt; the animal that disease and then killing it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How many carcinogens do we dump into the world? I realize sometimes people just &lt;b&gt;get&lt;/b&gt; cancer and all manner of other maladies, but sometimes the conditions we seek to solve through animal testing were of our own creation. Humans are inherently destructive to their environment and to each other.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Mainly, it comes down to the fact I don&#039;t see anything particularly precious about humanity. Our brains process more information than a rat&#039;s brain, or a monkey&#039;s. That gives us the ability to kill them to save ourselves, but it doesn&#039;t give the right to do so. Emotions, like conscious thought in general, are tricks of chemical interactions, and our desire to say we need to save ourselves at any cost is just a hallmark of our cultural vanity. If saving humans at the cost of other living creatures was an absolute moral necessity, then pharmaceutical companies wouldn&#039;t be able to hold people&#039;s lives and well-being for ransom after developing amazing life-saving drugs. Surely, if other life is nothing compared to human life, then money can&#039;t even hold a candle?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;All that being said, I don&#039;t think you&#039;ll see me anywhere in my posts advocating blowing up animal testing facilities, or running wild through a lab, killing the evil scientists and freeing the poor suffering creatures. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s the prettiest thing in the world, but telling people they should suffer or die in place of an animal is pretty stupid; mere self-preservation instincts will prevent anyone from agreeing with that idea. Absent the humans-must-be-saved factor, torturing and killing animals is a shitty thing, though, and I&#039;m not going to give it my two thumbs up with accompanying shit-eating grin. However, the closest I come to advocating the &lt;i&gt;abolishment&lt;/i&gt; of animal testing is suggesting that we should focus more efforts than we currently do on finding alternative means to achieve the same end result. Unfortunately, many people think that the leftover biological waste of a failed human IVF procedure is &lt;b&gt;still&lt;/b&gt; more valuable than any other living creature.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the way humans treat animals in almost any given situation is particularly great, and I don&#8217;t set policy for the city any more than I do for the scientific community doing the testing. Also, there is hardly parity in killing an animal that potentially has a disease because it might transmit it to you, and <b>giving</b> the animal that disease and then killing it.</p>

<p>How many carcinogens do we dump into the world? I realize sometimes people just <b>get</b> cancer and all manner of other maladies, but sometimes the conditions we seek to solve through animal testing were of our own creation. Humans are inherently destructive to their environment and to each other.</p>

<p>Mainly, it comes down to the fact I don&#8217;t see anything particularly precious about humanity. Our brains process more information than a rat&#8217;s brain, or a monkey&#8217;s. That gives us the ability to kill them to save ourselves, but it doesn&#8217;t give the right to do so. Emotions, like conscious thought in general, are tricks of chemical interactions, and our desire to say we need to save ourselves at any cost is just a hallmark of our cultural vanity. If saving humans at the cost of other living creatures was an absolute moral necessity, then pharmaceutical companies wouldn&#8217;t be able to hold people&#8217;s lives and well-being for ransom after developing amazing life-saving drugs. Surely, if other life is nothing compared to human life, then money can&#8217;t even hold a candle?</p>

<p>All that being said, I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ll see me anywhere in my posts advocating blowing up animal testing facilities, or running wild through a lab, killing the evil scientists and freeing the poor suffering creatures. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the prettiest thing in the world, but telling people they should suffer or die in place of an animal is pretty stupid; mere self-preservation instincts will prevent anyone from agreeing with that idea. Absent the humans-must-be-saved factor, torturing and killing animals is a shitty thing, though, and I&#8217;m not going to give it my two thumbs up with accompanying shit-eating grin. However, the closest I come to advocating the <i>abolishment</i> of animal testing is suggesting that we should focus more efforts than we currently do on finding alternative means to achieve the same end result. Unfortunately, many people think that the leftover biological waste of a failed human IVF procedure is <b>still</b> more valuable than any other living creature.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Research Relieves &#124; Life in Pain</title>
		<link>http://blog.xzion.net/2010/02/01/more-about-researchsaves-org/comment-page-1/#comment-1082</link>
		<dc:creator>Research Relieves &#124; Life in Pain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] my friend and I have been going back and forth on a campaign called ResearchSaves.org, which is a campaign that promotes medical animal testing. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] my friend and I have been going back and forth on a campaign called ResearchSaves.org, which is a campaign that promotes medical animal testing. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: rakaur</title>
		<link>http://blog.xzion.net/2010/02/01/more-about-researchsaves-org/comment-page-1/#comment-1078</link>
		<dc:creator>rakaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 01:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Right now it&#039;s one of the only thing saving human lives. You&#039;d trade human lives for animal lives? Animals like rats which your very own city has a crusade against? Baltimore City is killing rats the size of compact cars left and right and that&#039;s just fine but implant a tumor into one and give it some drug and cut it up to see if the tumor shrank and you&#039;re satan?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you&#039;re so concerned about animal lives then you need to be out on the corner handing out condoms or throwing javelins in peoples crotches. Something like half a billion people suffer from needless diseases that could be vanquished with animal-tested technologies, but god yes please, let&#039;s save the rats.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now it&#8217;s one of the only thing saving human lives. You&#8217;d trade human lives for animal lives? Animals like rats which your very own city has a crusade against? Baltimore City is killing rats the size of compact cars left and right and that&#8217;s just fine but implant a tumor into one and give it some drug and cut it up to see if the tumor shrank and you&#8217;re satan?</p>

<p>If you&#8217;re so concerned about animal lives then you need to be out on the corner handing out condoms or throwing javelins in peoples crotches. Something like half a billion people suffer from needless diseases that could be vanquished with animal-tested technologies, but god yes please, let&#8217;s save the rats.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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